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My unpopular Opinion (SPOILERS!!!)

I know that many people belive that Janner comes back to life after TWatWK and have good reasons to.

But I disagree.

I belive that the sacrifice for un-transforming the Fangs and the Cloven is somebodys death and therefore Janner dies and stays dead.

And many say that the story whould be to sad if Janner stays dead but I also disagree with that, too.

Janner is now safe, with the Maker and his father, Esben.

So, really, the ending isn't all that sad at all.

I'm quite satisfied with it.

23 comments

23 Comments

The Lone Elf

Nov 09

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I'm iffy on both sides. I will say that I think Andrew Peterson ends the story so as to let the reader decide what happens.

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Ellie (FF)

Nov 07

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Hey @J. M., a Throne Warden (that has ADHD and sometimes acts a bit more like a High King) to two sisters, a tinkerer/fixer of things, and a science, engineering, and aerospace aficionado extraordinaire,

I have a new piece of (maybe?) evidence you might want to consider. It’s not necessarily in the story, but it definitely is evidence. Look in the opening pages of tWatWK, at the poem by George MacDonald. The last two lines:

“Gainful death and

newborn LIFE”

lol I guess it could be up to your interpretation, but maybe AP was dropping a hint? 😉

Andreajoy4jesus

Sep 26

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I guess you just proved how unpopular your opinion is! 🤣🤣🤣

I believe that Janner comes back, but after my son realized that Janner was reunited with his father and was in the Maker's presence and everything was perfect and amazing for him, he didn't want Janner to come back! He insists that Janner has to stay dead.

Stella

Sep 26

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While I do believe he comes back, this is actually beautiful 🥺

Batwhacker the Freedom Fighter

Sep 26

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I believe that Janner lives. My reasoning:

Janner's sacrifice kinda represented Jesus' sacrifice, therefore coming back to life is very much part of it.
If they did find the Well, Janner would come back.
They did find the Well. Artham can't keep his wings, and if he does, he still needs healing.
SARA! Who else would she go to? Sara will need someone to care for her when she's an adult, and honestly, I can't see her marrying anyone else. (Don't say Kal, because he marries Galya)
Nia. Kal can't take care of her. Nia needs her 13-year-old son to take care of her now that Esben, Podo, and Rudric died.
Kalmar. Who else is going to be his Throne Warden? And he needs a LOT of help to run the kingdom, he can't do it by himself, and Artham can't just help him along. Artham doesn't have the total instinct to protect Kalmar, because he did not grow up with 'protect Kalmar' drilled into his head. Artham grew up with 'protect Esben'. Kalmar needs a Throne Warden who grew up with 'protect Kalmar' drilled into his head.
And as Rosalina said, IN THE PRINCE OF YORSHA DOON, Oskar said that Anniera had been returned to its former glory. Anniera wouldn't have been returned to its former glory without Janner. I will not change my mind.😑
Leeli. She can't stand High King Annoying with out the brother who doesn't mess with her.
And then there are other reasons.
At the end of TWatWK, there is a picture of the Well, therefore they must have found the Well.
Nugget. In the show, Nugget was not breathing after the battle. So Peet had take the dog to the treehouse, which probably took hours, and then he had to find the Well water, with the fact that the kids he was trying to protect were in danger. That dog was dead by the time Peet gave him the Well Water. Therefore, Nugget was resurrected. If he was resurrected, then that means if they gave Janner the Well Water, then Janner would also be resurrected. 🙃

Rosalina Wingfeather

Sep 26

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Great reasons! I didn’t even realize the one about nugget!😄 I like that maybe forshadowing from the creators!

Spaghetti Thwap-HS, FAR, TS, GB, FP, SS, SM, BK, TQ

Nov 06

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I love how aggressive some of these reasons are

"That dog was DEAD by the time Peet gave him the well water."

"therefore coming back to life is VERY much part of it."

"SARA!"

"DON'T say Kal, because he married GALYA"

"I will NOT change my mind"

Azog the Cucumber🥒

Sep 26

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His respawn failed.

Lurtz the Launderer (Ice Cream Doctor)

Nov 09

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Anniera really needed a bug fix team.

Rosalina Wingfeather

Sep 26

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But let’s think about the other characters!

Let the rant begin!

Kalmar would probably feel really guilty for Janner’s death, like he did at the end. I don’t think that pain would ever go away

Nia oh man she’s had a hard life, so her mother died, at the same time her husband died, then came back in book 3, then her boyfriend (Rudrik) died, THEN her father died THENNN first born died! Girl! That’s a lot!

My girly Sara😭 awww she loved Janner so much she LITERALLY crossed an ocean to find him and when she got there he was gone😭😭😭 that’s some deep scars!

Plus if you look at the analogy between Wingfeather and the Bible. And Jesus’s sacrifice for us then logically Janner would come back

My evidence: if you have read Wingfeather takes then in the first story (Prince of Yorsa doon) Oskar briefly mentions that Anniera has been restored to its former glory implying that the Wingfeather’s came back from the epilogue adventure and rebuilt the palace.

Then in the last story (places beyond the maps) Sara’s father sees her in castle Rysen, as a PRINCESS in the throne room.

So it. Unfortunately does not say Sara Wingfeather BUTTTT!😄

It does say that Sara’s father returned home and his wife called to their daughter to bring their grandkids to meet their grandpa! Thus Sara has kids.

Now this could mean that either Janner came back or she married some random person and Nia adopted her thus she’s a princess by adoption or marriage.

Alsooooooo! We can assume that they reach the first well sense in book 4 at least in the rebrand hard covers they have an illustration of what is described to be the first well

Ok sorry for the long rant!😅 I’ve obviously thought about this a lot!

Ickaw Warden

Sep 26

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Replying to

No problem :)

J. M.

Sep 26

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The first is when Artham says it might do more than heal (p.493, B4).
The second is a bit less explicit - when the children opened the Fane of Fire for Kal, it said that Janner felt a peace that he would remember for "the rest of his life"... which would be a very weirdly worded statement, considering his life lasted only another 3 days. Unless, of course, he lived again - in which case it would make perfect sense. (p455, B4)
There's a third, but this one might upset some. Technically, the creatures that are melded don't die, they are just drained of life... similar to the Machine in the Princess Bride.
In both cases, therefore, in the words of Miracle Max, "It just so happens that [our] friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive." (emphasis mine)
A fourth - and this one is even less explicit than anything yet - is the fact that when Sara's father saw her in that vision, it said she was in a 'room of thrones'. My guess is that there were three or more thrones in the room, due to the fact that it was not called a 'throne room', which would imply at maximum two thrones (in normal understanding). Three or more thrones, and there are three official royal children in the Wingfeather family, Janner being one of them. I did say at least three - perhaps there was an extra one or two for Nia and/or Sara.

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Ickaw Warden

Sep 27

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There's another statement like your second point when the stone keeper throws back her hood in tWatWK and Janner "saw a face that would haunt him for the rest of his life" (I don't have my books handy, but I think the chapter is called "Under the Keeper's Cowl")

The "rest of his life" wouldn't refer to non-earthly life because I don't think he'd be haunted by anything in the Maker's realm, and this happens not too long before the end of the book. The statement about the Fane is probably stronger evidence though because it happened even closer to the end of the book.